From Addiction to Personal Trainer — Marcus, Mean and Clean

[Music] Payton, what episode are killed? >> 15. >> Hi. Hi everybody. Welcome to PC Law. This is episode 15. Today I'm joined with Marcus Pier. might have known you. >> I've never known how to pronounce it to me.

What is it? Well, you know, you took a g straight away. I would not know this what I was saying here. I thought we've been mates all these years. I can't start asking how you pronounce it. >> Well, anyway, mate.

Yeah. So, uh going back how many years have I known it to her? >> Uh well, the memory came up on my face other day and I think it was like 16 years ago. >> Yeah. >> Something like that. And you were in a dog you were in in that dog cage thing in my mom's backyard. Do you remember that wooden built crate? >> And that's what's led us to here today. Sort of. >> Yeah.

Some crazy times, good times. Um I think a lot of us started on the same route in that way, you know, like we all love to enjoy saying, love to have good times, but didn't always leave us any best situation, which is um that's what we'll probably just start with, mate. So start back. We'll go as far back as you want, but um let's get on to um to maybe when it sort of either started going wrong or did you start when when you were younger? Were you into always into sports?

How did it sort of crumble? How did it come back to where we are today? >> I think um I were always heavily involved in in sports. Always had a massive interest in martial arts. Me granddad Brian had lend me enter dragon Bruce Lee >> and that were it m I knocking hell out washi washi line Paul back garden pretending it were with a dummy and all that and that were it that's where they got birth from started doing taekwondo everything like that very ambitious it were mad because I wanted to be Bruce Lee Johnny Depp and a fireman you know what I mean and I don't get where it all went wrong but anyway we're t at best in a way but I think yeah So very very gravitated towards sports as a youngman, you know, endurance, track, all that type of stuff. And I were one of the first people in my year at school to be going to gym after school cuz I were looking up to older lads, you know, year a couple of year above.

And I thought I want to be like that. >> How old are you now? >> 30. >> Yeah. So So when me and me and I Yeah. Honestly, I'd like to say we were like the first ones that started training us cuz me dad used to have us in we had like a out house which converted into like a room down in my mom's now but that used to my dad used to have a gym and he always used he trained there for years as soon as we were born didn't go to gym anymore but always trained at all and I think we were the first ones cuz me and I genetically obviously the exact same being and we both trained for six months same weight same rep same same everything and he his body completely changed and I stayed the same make that make sense you know what I But me were like a small scale bodybuilder. No one else uh at our school even were interested in weights at all. >> It's mad, isn't it? There's always a few at school in one year that just gravitate to it. >> Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like some people play football, rugby, >> badon, you know. Um some people smash gym and that were me. I remember nicking a bodybuilder again magazine fruit shop >> and and and local shop owner going absolutely le because of it and I'm upstairs pumping iron there but it he kind of I think when you grow up you know you're a bit same you grow up you get distracted don't you partying starts being mischievous starts all that type of stuff starts you know girlfriends all that type of stuff when you're just sidetracked from everything fitness becomes a hobby not a passion anymore >> absolutely you know, and then one thing leads to another. >> Yeah. And that's who we are.

Yeah. Our was the same with uh with boxing again. That's why led me to um to do the the final run again for um you know to achieve my dreams. You said last last one like obviously it's not about me today but I exactly the same whereas if I didn't have a fight set up I'd be out. >> We used to be wouldn't have seen Fridays like >> Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I remember that mate. I was still I was still fighting then, but then I'd I'd fight and then I'd >> celebrate for 3 months and unless I had a fight set up and I always struggled there. I never really realized how much it took me away from achieving things until >> until now I'm 32 and I'm like right >> I always say cuz cuz like I've got clients now that are obviously in addiction and that you know some of them are really young like 19 20 year old. Um and their biggest downfall is is that they think they're invincible.

They've got all this time ahead of them. The age of people becoming addicted to stuff now is getting lower and lower and lower each time. And we're not talking about just dabbling. We're talking full-blown addiction. And I'm telling them, listen, this dream that you've got, it ain't going to coexist with lifestyle you're living.

And I can say that confidently because I had big dreams. I had big hopes when I, you know, when when we were younger. I wanted to do things >> and because I prioritized the partying because it were new. >> Yeah. you know, and we've got a bit of freedom. It I had to sacrifice all that. Do you do do you think do you think there's a lot more awareness about because I just think like looking back I've actually just spoke to the woman in cafe this morning about this like when we're younger and I think anyone generations before us drinking >> or whatever it's always been the norm especially in England like everyone on the weekend drinking has never been an issue like that's just the normal for most people like is even to now but I I think the awareness comes from what people can achieve if they're not doing it. >> Yeah.

Um I mean it it definitely see pattern icing is it is British culture. As soon as we turn 18, kids get a beer. It's not let me go do this way, let me show you that I'll do this experience. It's have a pint, have a vodive or something like that. And it's that that is sort of like the gateway, you know, an adult saying here, welcome to a big world, have a pint of poison. >> And then we realize there's no restrictions now.

And it's just downhill from there. >> Um >> I think that that starts the ball rolling. Yeah. >> You know, other factors can come into play such as like, you know, if parents have been through addiction, all that type of stuff or if parents and heavy drinkers, parters, you know, kids pick up on that and and it it just sort of spirals from that point. Um but yeah, it's what what were your other point on it? >> Yeah. No, so I just I just think like from me for me it's just because I've seen so out of all people that might drink or or whatever they like or do whatever they do, right? So most people do actually just they can get by or they kind of live a normal life or the they're happy doing the the normal job, which is there's nothing wrong with that.

It's the the few people >> that's literally ruined their life. >> Yeah. >> And and each one of them people that started shing could be them. That's the that's the reason why I'm so big behind it. Like to try to push that message uh if any about like the shinking drugs would be just like how many people I've seen it ruin. >> Yeah. >> Like even to to to like my age or whatever. And I just think there needs to be there needs to be Well, is is there any right amount? Do you know what I mean?

So >> I I you see with alcohol it it's weird because alcohol is such a an accepted drug but it's probably the worst thing you could be addicted to. Like for me sometimes it's easier to deal with 10 cocaine addicts than it is one alcoholic >> just because it's so wid widely available you know. Um, but I think um, it's not good for you anyway. As soon as you put it in your body, your body's trying to filter it out. It don't matter if it's a little bit or a lot.

Um, but I think um, over time it don't matter it doesn't matter if you feel like you've you've got control of it. If you are doing it every weekend as a blowout and you cannot just stop doing it, you have some kind of dependency to it. >> And I think that's you everyone say it before. It's like you live for the weekend. >> Yeah. >> And I think that runs away with you and that's where your time disappears when you're always looking. You can't wait just what weekend as soon as it hits Friday, right? Time to have a drink. >> Yeah. >> But I just feel like a lot of dreams die in that routine. >> Yeah, they do.

They do because you got to think as well. It's a depressing, right? And then whatever comes with drink when you're out binge drinking with drugs and whatever. Mental health's an absolute shed week. And this is a big thing I'll touch on now.

There's a lot of things out there now for for men's mental health and everything like that, but they're not talking about the underbelly of it, which is drink and drugs. It's a taboo topic. That's why I get it out there as much as I can. Stop ignoring it. Like, we we all know somebody around our age, sadly, that's taken their own life.

And chances are they've been using around the time of the death, but nobody's going to talk about that. People who sult in the drugs are going to put talk to your boys, go to your local Andy's man club meeting, do this, do that. But they're not, you know, they're not gonna say stop taking drugs because that's the that's that's what makes you sing your final song and dance your final dance. And I'm sick of seeing that. >> Do you know what I mean? Like let's get straight to n about it. >> Yeah.

So, well, that move on to the next bit then. So obviously you've always been sporty, got a little bit carried away with the uh with the partying and then what ultimately led to uh to meaning clean which is so it were there were a few things obviously um I I looked at everything out there in terms of how to get clean, how to get sober, and it just didn't obviously I tried these things but it just didn't click for me as a person. And this is why I widely believe that not one shoe fits all, you know. >> Um, and for me, I had to go back to my roots of what I like doing as a person, who I am, what's in my DNA. And and it is sports >> and training because I know it makes me feel good. I know I've got good genetics.

I've got a good physique. I mean, I train. I look good. When I look good, I feel good. I'm ambitious.

So, I thought if I put all that together, >> like, is that going to make me take it out of it? Yeah. you know, um went to a GP, they to try to put me on anti-depressants. I were like, "No, because it's still substance dependence. You are literally just swapping drugs that make you gain to a drug that cuts off any natural dopamine release and gives you an artificial one." And I were like, "Nope." Like, and I don't want to go sit in a circle and talk about my problems. Yeah. >> I thought I want to be active.

I want my natural dopamine release. I want to get fit. I want to get healthy. I want to put good stuff in me body. And I want to be around a bunch of people that talking positive, not people that are dwelling up past, not people that are doped up on medication.

I didn't want that. I were very specific about what I wanted. >> And a lot of people were like, nah nah nah, you know, you've got to go this way cuz this is what's been done for years. And I'm like, no, like I trust me instincts in that sense. >> And so so do you, Rick? And that's that's what made you want to make an alternative route to all people because you thought that they want a wide enough service available to obviously there's there's money in it for anyone medication wise and there's money for governmentwise there's always it's easier to give everyone tablets and medicated and there's there's a system of money in it. >> Yeah. I mean I will never go I will never go to a GP for general health advice.

Right. ever if if we've got a cold if >> you ruined that for everyone. Yeah. Like no trust. >> But if you if you went to like that, there's a reason why people come to people like me and you, right, for for for health advice. They don't go to the GP because they're just going to put them on a tablet. >> Yeah. >> Right. They don't know the foggiest about general health and fitness.

They know how to treat an illness, not how to prevent an illness. They don't talk about it. Right. According to them, a balanced diet, you see balanced diet sheets they give you. It's all backwards, man.

I'm like going to get fat and high cholesterol off that. Um, but that that's that's it. And it's it's so sort of onedimensional. And with me, I just thought, no, there's there's a different way, you know, because a lot of addiction starts in a GP's office, you back at work, you go to GP, give you strong pain meds, right? They say you get addicted to them.

They want you addicted to them. But when they see that it's point of no return, they stop giving you them. not going to phase you off and just stop giving you one. And then what you going to do? You're going to go buy drugs off a dealer and then you're going to end up back in that GP's office saying, "Right, I'm addicted not to your stuff, but to that guy's stuff." And then they're like, "Right, now take this other medic." And you just go full circle again, right? So I thought, "How do I break that cycle?

How do I break that chain?" Cuz I don't want that to happen cuz that happened to me dad >> uh before he passed away and he ended up going into heroin addiction. So I thought, how do I not get to that point because I've done everything he did. >> Yeah. >> So how do I stop that? And it were a case of right, what makes me feel good? What do I need? And literally everything that I did in my own recovery, I was very I self researched. >> Yeah. >> How I felt I monitored everything and I just started putting content out there and people people resonated with it. >> Yeah. >> Quick though, didn't it? >> Massively.

Just one video just a just a I think I was three month at time. Three month sober. I put like a transformation video. Not even that. I started getting clean in November.

It was December. I put the video on. So, a month. >> Yeah. >> And it got 2.4 million views on that video. And >> hey, >> it just went ba ba ba ba bang and now it's nearly two years oldish company. So that's over a thousand people start the the journeys and counting and it's just Yeah. >> So So the recovery is heavily based on the fitness aspir.

Because I mean when you exercise obviously you've got ambitions and stuff like that. You know you have a natural sort of gift at doing that but you do it because it makes you feel good. If it didn't make you feel good you wouldn't do it. >> Yeah. >> Right now not everybody that I work with to help them get through you know beginning stages of recovery and and addiction. They're not athletes. Do you know what I mean?

But the whole premise of it is to get the body moving to unlock that part of the brain. >> Don't you think that addicts make the best trainers once they get going now? Cuz >> yeah, >> any any addiction is addictive personality and once they get the teeth stuck into anything like as soon as they start training obsessed with training, they're great people to work with. So once obviously there can be there can be places where they fall off it though, don't get me wrong, but usually when they're on it, they're like they're so switched on, so highly motivated, most dedicated because they've got something else that they can get stuck into. There something and more importantly something I can be more proud of. >> Yeah, that's it. I think I see I don't know, this is another big thing.

I don't look at addiction as a disease. I just personally don't. Um that I wasn't so much an alcoholic. I was a drug addict. So people might look at alcoholism as a disease.

And you know what, respect that. Um I look at addiction as an energy, right? It it's addictive energy. And you've and and it can be a superpower. It worked pretty well for me.

Channeling it into business, fitness, helping people, everything morally good. You know, if I can channel that there, then you're going to get a positive outcome from it. If you channel it into wrong things, there's going to be negative outcome. simple science. Do you know what I mean? Um, but what I found with people is when I get them into the routine of exercising and they start to see the benefits, they feel the benefits first.

The dopamine hit everything the, you know, cold water therapy, um, sauners, all that type of stuff. Just general self-care because that's where it starts from just learning to be hygienic again, >> right? And feel good in yourself. And then they start to see weight loss and muscle gain. And then they feel confident in the clothes and then before you know it, they're going bang bang bang.

And they're running races that they're getting ready for for photo shoots. And it's it's great to see like the first picture they send me when you know it's crackhead vibes. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> And now and now they look like they're ready to go do the first pro pro I rocks. It's unbelievable. But I feel like I feel what's great about about being willing to start a trading is that naturally they want to start trading people because of how good they felt. >> Got a story and it there's no there's no limit to it.

That's what I'm saying. That addictive personalities like what can I do next? How can I make it? How can I feel even better? Like even though they feel amazing, they want to feel even better.

I'm going to start helping people. I build myself. I feel unbelievable. and they want to pass all that on to someone else. So, I feel like it just keeps going up in these stages and there's like a there's like a version of it where it it's going up like a pyramid to >> Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. >> Then they start returning it back to everyone else >> because you look at it. It's um I can't remember what I'm saying now, but it's it's basically Yeah. It's like anything like you to make a successful business if you don't have a degree, if you don't have anything like that and you want to make something yourself, you you sell the solution to the problem that you were in. >> Yeah. >> Right. And I am heavy on this with my guys. I say look, you don't have to copy what I do, but what I want you to do when you get to that stage is I want you to find a way to help people.

Whether that is through being a PT, being a nutritionist, being a psychologist, being, you know, whatever it is, you know, like find a way to help people and duplicate that process. >> Yeah. >> You know, it's all about duplication. And that's that's a big thing for me. Like if you want to if you want to make the world healthier and fitter, right, and you want to get rid of war on you want to fight the war on drugs, you know, you don't take dealers off the street, right? You get people clean. Cut off the the demand for the supply.

That's it. Because you set one dealer offer off a treat and three more will spawn up. >> You know what I mean? Like some uncod, you know, just get people clean, get people healthy, get people back in gyms, get them training, you know, get them shredded and and mate, we're laughing. >> Yeah. Do you know what I mean? We we we've just cut mental health problems in half, obesity in half, addiction rates in half, everything, you know.

And when and and when you're training, you'll know it creates discipline, you know, which can which can then create discipline over your money, over family life, all these type of temptations. Do you know what I mean? Fitness for me has been the core fundamental >> and where where do you want to go with it in the end? What's the what's the overall goal? Is it just help as many people as possible or >> Yeah.

I mean, uh, it it's mad because I >> I always see that you're doing like good new deals with people or big collabs with with with with people like that as well. So, >> yeah. >> Is it just keep scaling it and see how many people can help or is it to get like you just said more people on board, more people telling their story or sort of under say banner really get a big wide spread and just keep infecting everyone with his good benefit. See see I I'm sort of drawn like I had all the I had this big plan that I want to do this I want to do that there there will be a wellness center opening in near future that sort of science seal delivered in in a sense but I want more as many as I can um simply just to offer a new a new form of recovery you know different route for people um but I've kind of just learned now that how it is for me is working absolutely absolutely fine. Personally, the method I take with people is helping people. I don't want it to go to a point where it can't be managed. >> Yeah. >> Because it could easily get to that point.

Like I say, I put one video online and it could generate eight new 8 to 10 new clients a week. >> You know, at the minute with just over 100 clients, so it's like, you know, and there's me and somebody else working for me that was a client of mine. >> Yeah. >> So, it's it's managing it, right? So, I have to go through growth stages, maintaining stages, growth, maintain, that type of cycle. Um, but I just um I'm just going to see where it goes. >> Yeah. >> But obviously my main interest is making sure that the clients are safe, everybody's looked after, everybody's needs are getting met, you know, that that's main thing >> I think. Um I've talked about on all nearly every podcast to be honest. It's just enjoy journey then you just enjoy it. like I love everything about whether it's doing this podcast and it's getting to see you again after all these years.

So all similar qualities that bring us all back to this point like we've all had his bad stages some worse than others uh blemish fitness stuff that brings everyone back and I think no matter what your goals are and we've all got very much in common. >> Yeah. I think, you know, people like me and you, we get to a stage where we settled down, >> we have kids, right? We had we had this, you know, we had these ambitions and stuff like that and we kind of [\h__\h] about with ambitions a bit. Do you know what I mean? Like didn't serious. >> Yeah.

We weren't quite ready to go. But then as soon as you have them burns, mate, you're like games changed a bit. And then but have you noticed you you get to around your 30s, your early 30s, and everybody starts taking it serious now cuz you realize you're not getting any younger. >> 100%. Brian just escapes you, doesn't it? >> Exactly. But but I think I don't know.

I'm looking at it like is it is that how it should be? >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I mean? This is it because >> some people never realize though. No, they don't. >> Some people never realize all this. I do it and you always get I wish I' done it when I younger. Like for me, there's no time like the present.

Doesn't matter if you're if you're 50, it doesn't matter if you're 20. Like when you reach a realization point in some point where there's more out there or there's getting out with that small town mentality or the dreams that you've got and ambitions like they're achievable but it's down to you. Like every time every time you do that like I don't care what no one says once you drink even if you're drinking if you drink on a Friday. If you've got big ambitions like if you're happy to do to do your 9 to5 that all power to you that's fine. If you have got the massive ambitions like every time you do any of the things you're drinking and you you're knocking your time back like you are and you no way you're you're as highly motivated on the Monday as you are midweek >> once once you start getting your real dopamine again and as the orphans like I feel like depending on the scale you want to go out and I think that's what it's hardest because the people with the piggy dreams then realize they need to really go out and chase it real fast. >> Yeah, they don't. uh comment >> but no but it's see for me it were weird because I like we even mentioned before I started filming then that I were doing multi-level marketing when I were younger all the dip toe in loads of types of businesses so >> but I believe everything that I've done in past has led to this point yeah you know everything even me addiction like to me it was meant to be yeah >> and for me I always >> I thought I don't know I always used to say openly I feel like there's something there's something for me there's somewhere lined up for me and I quite you know but I would always quite thinking that I never had a degree I didn't have any of this stuff I couldn't be asked going to uni but I thought how am I going to get there without doing all that >> and then to be at this position now because anybody that can start a business from scratch and make an income from the scent >> hats off to you know without getting in student debt student loan debt that's massive >> um and and even through course of my sobriety I were like, "Yeah, it's law of attraction working for me because you know that." And then and then I just I started like um I started really thinking about it and I'm like, "Nah, nah, it's it's bigger than that." >> Do you know what I mean?

That there's something bigger at scale here. >> Yeah. >> To go from what I went through, the people I were involved in, >> the stuff I've gone through to now be doing what I'm doing, >> right? And they say blowing me your own trumpet, but I can put words out there and it can impact people's lives. And I think that's that's not just a skill cuz sometime I don't even know what I'm going to say when camera comes on. >> I just get a talking >> and but it'll impact somebody in Australia who will say I saw this video six months ago and I'm six months clean and I'm like I'm just talking [\h__\h] mate. Right. But it's got that ability to help somebody.

And I thought that the summer >> Yeah. Yeah. So like so I so I know >> the level that this is going to go to. So just in between before you get there. So do you feel like as a person though it's weird how you forged through like your trials and tribulations aren't you?

So I feel like even through hardship is where you learn your most lessons. Of >> course you do. So whether people come from tough backgrounds, tough upbringing, whether it's down to parents side that they've had to see that and realize make the change. >> Yeah. >> Uh people who again we're talking about addiction, people have gone through that then to get away from that is mentally >> Yeah. >> is mentally tough anyway. So been able to get through that is a lot of growing involved. uh again through everything like you said being an entrepreneur also dealing with them demons at the same time like all of this sort of forges into who we are today >> and I think it makes us we are we are those trials and tribulations then we want to be as strong as as as you are >> exactly >> uh I know like what what we wanted to come to know something you did mention to me I think that be I think they'll be interested to know that >> yeah I mean I said to before I feel I do feel a bit of a hypocrite now. >> Yeah. >> Right. Because I've I've never slandered like um religion or anything like that.

I've always said if that's what you believe in, that's what you believe in. And don't get me wrong, I'm like hardcore atheist even started my addiction, like started my recovery. Do you know what I mean? I like it's all me and I've put the effort in and everything. And I have to a certain degree.

But when I start back scaling stuff and I don't know what it was, right? Literally, there's been at least 10 lads over the past couple of weeks that have come to me and says they've had some form of awakening, right? And anybody that knows me watching this will go, is he is he relapse? No, I have, right? I haven't.

But trust me, and if you're watching this and you've had a similar experience, right, might resonate. But to go from being an hardcore atheist and believing in yourself as like this self-righteous person, >> the main character. >> Yeah. The main character. And then all of a sudden you realize, hang on a minute, someone just itchy. I mean, past few weeks, mate, I pieced everything together. >> It made sense that the moment that cuz I tried going different places to get clean >> and no, we're working and the moment I got on my knees and says, "Can't believe I'm going to do this, but God, can you just give me a starting point and I'll do the rest?" >> Yeah.

And then shortly after that, like the day after, found somebody that were going to help me and things started at me. And then the vision for me clean, couple of days into being clean, >> the logo, the name, the awards night, Yorkshire Choice Awards, >> being what it is now, all this podcast, everything. >> It's all coming coming to reality. >> And just the the ability to go and and I've seen evil, mate. I've been around evil, you know what I mean? I've been around groups of people that literally embody what sin is. >> Yeah. >> You know, and I and I lived it and I I just look at all that and I thought, well, nah, I can't I'm too much of a mess up for God to come to me. I mean, like, why is Jesus going to come with me? >> Yeah. >> You know, but you don't go to perfect people, you know?

I'll go to people that are mess up, people that did commit sin, people that did commit murder, all that type of stuff. And that's who he who chooses to be messenger. And I don't know what it was. I I just got hit with it. I'll be honest with you.

I saw the video of Charlie Kurt getting pee and that gave me a pain that I've never felt before. You know, I watched the guy's videos, you know, swing. >> I can't believe you can even see stuff like that on social media. I didn't even mean to watch it and I seen it. I >> I just got sent it. That can't that can't be good for no for people to see him. >> No. >> But I I I just got sent it and they were like cross view of it and I just dropped me me bottle of water and I were like no and it just g me this pain for days after and I found myself getting drawn towards God again at me.

I'm like checking me temperature and everything. What's going on here? Yeah. And I was getting emotional, mate. Really, really emotional. >> And I'm looking back at my life and everything.

And it was just like this warm feeling, everything. And I just got to a point where I said, "You know what? I'm not even denying it anymore. I'm not even denying it, mate. I went upstairs.

Well, I went to me mom's, got me Bible that I had from when I were a kid, everything. Got me rosaries and I prayed and I started reading, mate. >> And it just >> Yeah, it's just there. >> That's I think that's where I must be going wrong." So, it's like a funny touch on it cuz I think at times everybody looks for a night of power. Whoever it is, whatever it is, I I I mess him up if it's like five gods as well. And I don't know who I'm talking to, but I know especially like fight week. I'm just like no matter what, just please just give me let me let me give me a sign or just make give me some guidance for it.

And I'm and I'm massive on it. Maybe maybe he's not always looked after me because I only ask him when I need him. But but but the same people use him as an ATM machine. >> 100%. >> I feel like I feel like we've all get to that point. But um but I'm also then to everything happens for a reason. I love all the stuff with the the universe and as I always look Do you remember the film Bruce Almighty? >> Yeah.

Yeah. when he's sweeping floor up and everything starts going good >> like you said selfare looking after yourself and I always feel like that's that's massive though like as soon as I start looking after myself and putting energy into right things and positive similar to law of attraction things could start happening >> again no law of attraction I just think now I were massive on that for years >> now even I'm looking at it saying that's an atheist way of using God's word >> yeah mate I love all these um That's what I'm still stuck between cuz um I got Christian because I'm uh for I'm somebody's uh god god parent. So I got christen for that and I've never really been like I don't know what you believe in. Like I said everyone looks to an eye power at some point in their life. I don't care who you are. You'll be sat there and things are getting hard and you're just like why is he to me or I think that's a good way to put it.

Everyone using like ATM machine you just all of a sudden you're like man I need you today. You know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. >> It's like people that that you know swear down that they are atheists that they don't believe in it. >> Yeah. >> But why do you go get your kids christened? >> Yeah. >> Right. Why you celebrating Christmas?

Why you know why when somebody's passing away in your family do you pray? You know why why do you say sending prayers? What who you praying to? You don't believe it. Oh dear.

Do you know what I mean? So it's there but I think we without >> I think a lot of it comes from desperation though doesn't it? >> It does. But you know what? when you've got nothing else. >> But have you noticed that when you're praying desperation, mate, things happen. >> Yeah. >> That's you know what I mean? Because you're not just, "Oh, God, let me win lottery." Do you know what I mean? But it's like I got on my knees and said, "God, just give me a sign, but I'm done." And it felt like God went right now.

You're done. I'm going to take over. >> Hey, do you know what? Like again, I like I never thought I'd be having these conversations, but I didn't. I'm enjoying you, man. Enjoyed it. >> I didn't. >> But um but I'll do it same.

But then I've had that and then I lost me fight. But then I also then thought well that that would be reason because that made me feel like I realized how much I did want it and there's always a sign behind it again don't know if that if the sign's written in stars already I I sometimes sometimes I like to look at it like that that the future's already been chosen depending on the things that I am doing if I'm doing everything right if I if I'm sober if I'm training if I'm looking after myself if I've been a good dad been a good fiance if I'm doing all the right things that everything will lead the work out proper play. I love that mentality cuz it keeps me in right right frame of mind. >> And even if things even if things go wrong or when I'm going into me fights, I think I've done everything I should have done. Whatever's meant to happen is meant to happen now. Like I said, God's got the plan.

You have to find the lesson. >> Yeah, 100%. And and I feel like there's so many lessons even through your losses then cuz I just sort of wanted to come back in jumping or sort of skip queue again. And with everything that happened brought like >> uh they change the rules. I had to go back through all the boxing thing and all that and then realized just how much I wanted to do it. Like I just thought coming up or I know then I can say right after I've been pro and then I kind of live my life off that.

But now I've had to pay my dues. I've had to earn it. I've had to learn loads of new skills on a completely separate higher skill level. And again all happened for a reason, doesn't it? >> So So remember like you're you're getting to a point it's going well for you now. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But you lost all that at one point. >> Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. >> When I were in addiction, I were begging for my family. I want this. I want this business. I want the life I've got now. >> Yeah. >> What had to happen first?

I had to lose it. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Right. There's a pattern. And I think there's a design to it. >> Yeah. Absolutely. >> And you won't design that.

I ain't designed that. >> Who's designed that? Do you know what I mean? So, so it's it is bizarre. And like I say, I there's still a part of me that was like, but the more I get into it, I'm like I'm same mindset as you. As long as I stay clean and sober, right, and I'm a good person. >> Yeah. >> And I do what I'm meant to be doing.

Look after myself, number one, because if I don't look after myself, I can't look after anybody else. >> Yeah. >> I I'll get anything I want. >> Yeah. >> But I need to be of service to other people as well. >> And when you look at that, it it's it is the life of a righteous man. I'm not saying I'm perfect. Nobody's perfect. Do you know what I mean? But you you start reading Bible and stuff, New Testament, you realize that everything you've read in a self-help book, every business code, everything is from there. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I mean?

And your eyes just open and you're like, obviously there's bits of it you're like, is that is that right? Is that right? Yeah. And for me it's it's mindboggling because I am mean and clean sort of being built on the no higher power thing. So I've been honest but because every bit of my journey I use to help other people.

That's what it is. I've got no degree in this. I go off my own experience and I've told all my clients I've said look this is a no higher power program right? This is a non-religious program, but I've got to tell you what I've gone through. But the difference is is that I'm two years clean and sober when this has happened. >> Yeah. >> Not brought into religion in a vulnerable state. >> Yeah.

Yeah. >> That's the thing, you know. >> Yeah. No, that's a good word. That's cuz like I've just been saying, it usually comes at your time at your most desperate need where you're like, please someone just whoever it is, just help me. Uh but obviously yours came at a completely different title. So, so yeah, the usual person.

Yeah. Is it a chosen one? >> They probably what it's I just Yeah. But you know what's weird as well? I just sort of see like every I don't even feel I feel like it's not done yet. Like some people think like right you don't mean you're at stage where you are now with meaning and clean.

What's next? You know what's next? And >> I'm like well I don't know cuz it just went pretty well and now it's all down to me. You know has God got a plan for me next? And now this has happened.

It's like this is first time I'm talking about this. I've not put anything. I've shared a few stories but nothing, >> you know, explaining it. This is first time and I don't know what the reception from is going to be like. But you know what?

I What do you know what But you know what though? I wish people I just just this alone like I've spoke to so many people already and everyone's everyone's paths been different. Everything's every one of them thing in common. It's got fitness involved. Yeah.

This is another great great path. So uh whether it was said at the right time and again one person might be watching it who's very very similar to you or at the awakening or in the same each guest I get on like I feel like it's going to help at least one person and like I I spoke to you before this I never I never set this up to um I just enjoy doing it you know I enjoy doing it like we've said earlier enjoy the journey I listen to podcasts constantly all the time so to be able to come and give other people a platform and even just show how many different stories related around the same industry all through like completely different paths like it's just mad and different ways how they're dealing with them or different ways how they're giving back and I think that's what's going to ultimately se separate this podcast as well which I love is um it's just growing while everyone else is growing. >> Yeah, >> I think that's great like little slogan for it. So >> yeah, I thought that's it and it's I mean I'm big on what is it me I'm big on giving back as well. Do you know what I mean? Like there's been I don't announce it really.

It's probably going to be first time I've mentioned this as well, but there's been other businesses, you know, other podcast mess. >> Yeah. Yeah. And I shout out to them boys. I wanted to give them, you know, I wanted to support them and they went over really. >> Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. >> I wanted to support them with that. So like, yeah, you know, he's a bit of a donation. Get yourself up because I'd rather do that support starting business than a charity. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I mean? someone who's being paid in that charity. I'm all >> It's a massive scam. >> Me and Clean a charity is a for-profit business because if I'm going to do this right, I need to get paid so I can do this full-time, right? But I will donate to make to other people to make their dreams come true. >> Yeah. >> I'd rather do that than donate to something that >> they get 3% knowing charities, don't that?

I did I did loads of research on that and what a scam that is and that it just put me off everything when >> about life insurance >> may law all of him man like just yeah what I could that's a separate separate podcast on its own but >> yeah is >> like just crazy and it when they come around and I feel bad knocking them back but now when I realize that 3% of money is going and everyone who's >> CEOs business got5 million pound houses but there's still people struggling like you can't >> but again again it feeds back into what we're talking about about fitness and and health and nutrition and stuff because it's like Yeah. I mean, you've heard saying, you know, um there's more money in uh treating a disease than curing a disease. If you cure it, it's done. >> Yeah. >> Do you know what I mean? So, it's like they're always going to constantly want that thing. And that's where it gets you down big rabbit hole of, you know, they try to poison you so that you get cancers and stuff like that.

I need to do another podcast, but I think we need we did a separate podcast just for these. So that be interesting mate. I feel like we've got a lot in common on that. Um >> big farmer love. So I think on on that note, Max said, where where can people find you mate? >> Uh Facebook just me clean.

Uh Instagram, Tik Tok, Money Clean UK. Uh meaning.co.uk on the internet. You can book a consultation, all that type of stuff. Just search me there as well. You can find there. links for everything's on there uh on YouTube under Meaning Clean UK also.

Um and yeah, I'm going to be getting me on podcast out again soon. >> Oh, sort of put them on back there. It's awesome. Well, we'll definitely get you on again, mate, cuz I feel like just that last two minutes, I realize some of the fun topics that we can talk about. So, it's been lint of your pleas to see you again. Remember everybody, like and subscribe.