Why Most Fitness Influencers Are Lying to You

All right. Hello everybody. Welcome back to PT Launch Lab. I'm Ryan. >> And I'm Callum. >> Oh, so we bit free balling it today. We uh we're just going to go off a couple of different topics.

I know. Um Callum know you wanted to cover. >> Yeah. >> A couple to start. >> Uh yeah, and this is number five as well. And to be honest with you, I'm really enjoying it. Um, and I think it is what we're doing now is we're building something where it's exactly what we wanted to do. I was having a conversation with one of our learners the other day and the reason why they find it so useful is because there's not enough conversation out there for fitness professionals, personal trainers out there about the reality of it. >> Yeah.

And I think that's what brings us on to another point is that we're going to start getting people on as of next week. We're going to start asking some uh local PTs and hopefully we'll start building that community up then and and and get a few guests on and we'll get a bunch of different stories. We've got people from fight backgrounds, people from weight loss backgrounds, people who've come into the job straight from school, people who've come straight from the uh from work all the life as well. So I just feel like getting that conversation and see where don't matter where you are that you can actually find a job. >> Absolutely. >> PT. So, >> and at the end of every podcast starting from next week as well, we're going to be putting polls out on Instagram, on Facebook, reaching out to people to try and get some question and answer sessions going because we want to answer the questions that people have got burning because we might not always cover the things that people really want to know and you know sometimes we skim over stuff if they want to elaborate and I think it's really important at the end if you want to have your question answered we'll answer it.

But yeah, so just bit of a catch up really. I mean, I went away for a week. Uh, I went on a cruise to Norwegian Fjords. So, how's it been in the gym this week? >> Well, busy when I'm on my own. So, for me, obviously the gym at the minute, the boxing side of it is absolutely crazy.

One of the shows actually got cancelled this week, so it sort of freed up me Saturday. I've got my own boxing preparation as of next week. I'm going to pony races today. me first drink in probably a year. Um, obviously I've got to be careful. We're having kids next day, but so that'll be good.

Looking forward to that. And then it's serious time then for me training. I've got a big tournament that I'm entered in for the >> So tell us a little bit about that then cuz I know we've obviously spoke about it. So what what's that entail? >> So potentially I think I believe to win it you've got you'll have like six fights in four weeks. So you enter I'll be down to bridge.

So, Bridlington, if anyone if anyone don't know that, I'll go down there on the 14th of September and everyone's name goes in and out everyone in country and then you pick it out and that's if you fight on that day or not. >> All right. >> Yeah. Is it all like same weight classes? >> Yeah. So, like a standard weight class. So, you got all I all I know weight class wise is there's an under 67 bracket and under 71's bracket and we for under 67 just purely for the high. So when I fought at 68 last time, the land was 64. >> I landed about five. >> Yeah.

It's southpaw as well. So if anyone doesn't know that, it's like double double the distance away. So um so obviously I've had to got low bracket. I've not I've not really fought that low since I was 18 19. So and then if we be in a tournament and we have to stay in that in that sort of weight for the full full length.

So I'll weigh in it's on the day fight. So you need to be fit, ready to perform on that day. And then you might fight midweek weekend weekend. All the qualifiers have got to be done for the 28th. So that's two weeks and then after that you do your October which is your quarterfinals and then your semi-final and final at the same weekend the following weekend.

Um and that's all on TV. >> That's exciting. >> Obviously I want to win it off. I don't want to be sat on this podcast then saying that I went out early or anything, but it is part of the game I guess. But >> no, absolutely. And what I always find interesting about your weight class spec specifically, well specifically uh the best thing about it is with boxing for people who don't actually know boxing, your weight class is ridiculous as well because the the range in size and shape and people that you get in your weight classes are absolutely insane cuz once you start getting towards light heavyweight, heavyweight, yeah, it's all open season. But we are guys like you could get someone that's your weight but double your size. >> And I've I fought at 66 kilo which again anybody don't know that that's like 10 and a half stone.

So it'll be easier for people to understand. Most people I fought over six foot >> which is crazy. It's not like when you do the day before weighins people do that re rehydration. So once I once I go into the pro level like I'll cut even lower because you'll rehydrate. So a lot of it you just cut water weight and then after that you'll put it on.

So, say if I go in at 63 kilo for the weight day before, I might be fighting at like 67. That's how much the water can um make a difference. Whereas when I've got on the day, obviously I can't pull that water on, dehydrate myself cuz I'd be too depleted. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But yeah, it's a bit crazy. So, I'm going from the smaller a smaller weight bracket purely for that that high advantage or or to avoid a disadvantage. >> Yeah.

No, absolutely. And for anybody who wants to follow that, obviously if you're following Ryan as well, we'll be sharing plenty of stuff on the page. But I'm really excited for that. Really excited. So yeah, so another couple of things as well.

Uh I mentioned it on our socials a couple of weeks ago, but now for all across our course payments, we're now offering payment options. So you can spread the cost. Okay? So whether you want to put down the deposit initially, you can spread that cost. You want to pay for the full cars, spread the cost.

Meaning exactly meaning you can get on the course and the idea is what we want to give you is the options so you can get on the course and get qualified cuz what we always say is the most important step is getting qualified but it's just the first step. So getting in there getting it done that's the important thing. Another thing that's coming which I also mentioned is down the line we're going to be now offering CPD courses. When these come through they are extra mini courses that go on top of your course to advance your level of knowledge. So, we will be running stuff like uh an advanced nutrition course, how to program with clients within your scope of practice, how to make sure that you're looking after their their metrics, making sure that you're looking after their daily habits, as well as programming, knowing how to program with different experience levels, anywhere from someone who's never even touched a weight up to someone who's wanting to improve their form on compound movements, for instance.

We're going to give you the tools and the knowledge so you know how to program specifically for that person and be able to build those templates in the background. So when you do on board a client, all you have to do is adapt to that person. >> Hey, did you know that I've been qualified since 2011? >> Such a lot. >> I've got a I've got a I've got a Sunday um belly pad like shield punch shield in there. That's older than some of some of my clients that I train now. >> That's insane. But like I think of 2011 as >> that's what I've got as well >> not that long ago and it's years ago and most these most people coming through now they're boring the 2000s've got no idea how old you feel cuz I I would train somebody >> I think some like when I've got the younger lads in boxing and I think I'm quite cool and move on and stuff and then when I realize age I'm like Jesus like yeah I'm not that cool. >> Like when you train a young kid or a friend like what you doing tonight? I'm going here.

I'm doing this. I'm doing that. So, what are you doing? I can't just go to bed. >> Yeah. >> Just to relax. >> Yeah. Kids.

That's what I've got. I train two two lads at the minute. Every time they're every weekend, it's a festival or >> Yeah. >> literally festival or they've got a night planned or one of the main is a DJ and be behind decks and stuff like that. And we just I said I live through them at minute. Two sorry three of the lads from the class at minute in a beefer sending me videos yesterday.

I just keep them coming cuz I'm living through you. I think it's just like the side with the kids as well. So, when I was on the cruise, we were with our friends and they got a four-year-old and we've got a 9month-old and obviously on a cruise there's a lot to do for a four-year-old. There's so many things. You can go to shows, you can do it.

With a 9month-old, we literally went out during the day, did what we did by 9:00, we're putting her to bed and we're going to bed and I kept getting messages of my mate going, "Are you coming to do this? You come to be like, "No, I want to go to sleep. >> Just have please." >> Times have changed. my little ones. Um cuz she's walking on that now. She just did everything. Any cupboard.

Get everything out of cupboards. I've got usually got a Garmin watch and she's in it somewhere. When I'm in when I when when I'm in my living room, me phone connects to it. So I know it's in the house, but I just can't find it. So stuff I own that from that.

But yeah. Um so probably moving on now. So, one thing I did want to talk about, I know what we said like where where did they begin this journey? Well, everyone else is beginning their PT journey. And I just I don't know why I got obsessed with it like that as you're trying to grow, we're trying to grow.

And I just don't know why, but I just love that that standpoint of it, right? And what we're doing to to keep growing it and like for now, we've just added more to his team. So, more on the marketing side, digital side. um who we'd like to introduce you to at some point Harry and we've got a big chat with him again today. Callum spoke to him yesterday. Just really positive things moving as the right direction.

I just feel like once you get that next step where you just seeing potential that's what I sort of live off me like a lot even if whatever idea I've got don't make me a millionaire. I just love the fact that maybe possibly could one day or and I've just lived off that. I've had so many ideas over the years and I just I always think enjoy the journey more than the destination and they say that the person who loves walking a lot further than the person trying to get to the destination >> and it's an hard lesson to learn as well cuz um I think the main thing that we always press on is when you're getting into this if you go in with a money mindset where you're thinking you're going to do this pure just to earn the money you're going to do really poorly because trust me if you're getting this for the money straight away you're going to struggle because it's just a hard game. >> Yeah. >> Um but if you enjoy it, doors open for you. >> Time time time can change that though. So like >> I suppose it's huge like sort of off camera. And I had a list of things I wanted to do.

Something that we wanted to talk about is having like goals, monthly goals, six month goals, year goals. And I once wrote them. I didn't really give a time, but I had like a certain car I wanted a when I wanted a house, when I wanted a gym, and I had them all writt down. And I had that in me diary for about 10 years. But I do think um I do think it changes over years depending on your situation.

Like if I just come out of if I just come out of college or school or whatever and I do want to make money like I love the idea of getting it all done quick and just really killing them hours and doing the unpaid hours just working uh day till night and night till morning as well. I I love that sort of mindset where you're just grafting for it and you're chasing it. Like I I did all them times as well as of now cuz I'm I've built it up to a point where I could be comfortable but I still got that little bit of me that that little young version of me that still wants to chase the dream which is why I'm sort of good doing the boxing again still now come back so late. >> Yeah, you always want a little bit more and I think that's it's not a negative thing. I think you've only got a finite amount of time on the planet. And if your career is your passion, like a lot of people are happy just doing the job, getting paid, going home, and that's it.

And they're happy, and that's fine. There's nothing wrong with that. But if your passion is doing well and bettering yourself and personal development, there's nothing wrong with wanting more all the time. But also considering the fact if you don't enjoy it during the time, you're never going to be happy. Like, you're always trying to strive to be happy. like I'm going to be happy when I get to this level, it's never going to work.

Because if you're always striving to get to that point and that point and that point, you're just going to keep pushing the goalpost and you'll never have that appreciation from where you've come from >> and how much it how much it changes as well during during the journey. Like you wouldn't believe how many different angles I've gone from and how many times I thought like or PT and I've always PT like I used to do more weight side. Uh obviously got more to the boxing side. I once went all over the world online with Ultimate Shred and that one literally just took over everywhere. I can remember we got the map up and there were just dots everywhere all over the world.

Canada, USA, Dubai, you name it were there like um and I thought I thought I'd made it. So I sort of took took a back step on PTS but then trying to work in an office it just want me either. So what I thought what I wanted actually want. So um again just yeah don't have one one set path like just be ready to uh to take other opportunities as well and um just divert when you need to just to make sure you're happy because you end up chasing it and becomes if it becomes too much like work you won't enjoy it. >> Yeah. Exactly.

And the whole point of doing this is to make it not like you're just doing a job. It's your passion. So >> you also fall into doing silly hours like even even to now I still do >> 100%. >> I did what did I do on Wednesday? I did 14 14 hours on on Wednesday. So I did my first personal training session at 7 morning and then I trained midday and then I worked all 9. >> Sorry 13 one to ones and then I train myself one 14 hours like straight and I'm like 32 next month and I'm still doing these silly hours. thought I didn't think I'd be doing that now.

But >> it it just shows shows character and plus as well like go we're all striving towards a goal and if that's what you want to do then you got to put in the time. >> Absolutely. >> So >> went to um going to third party. I know you always cover something. Yeah. topic of the day and I I think this is a really one to hit home especially for those on the course or finishing the course or just trying to get into the industry and I want to talk about role modeling especially with your fitness influences in today's world. So the main point I wanted to talk about what I mean by role model is when you're getting into this business everyone's got access to social media and they usually find somebody on Instagram that they really enjoy and they really like their ideas. So again, I think James Smith's a a beautiful example of that.

He really changed the fitness influencer industry about, you know, real talk about saying how it is rather than embellishing and it's the real world. >> He he simplified it. >> Yeah. >> He cut he cut the he cut the [\h__\h] didn't he? For for sure. Um spoke about the other the other guy. Is it is it Ryan Mech? Is it RS? >> I can't believe it's RS fitness or something. >> The guy. >> Yeah.

Yeah. He's another one very upfront, very in your face, a bit um what's the word? Um people are not sure about it. It's a bit bit of a conflict with it. >> Yeah. He's trying to give you the the hard line rather than >> Yeah.

Yeah. Some some of it you you think it's um people probably disagree with how he's doing it, but again, that's how he's created his his community of people is the people who are who want that. >> Yeah. telling he'll he will literally tell you straight up if you're being lazy be like he'll tell you straight to your face that you're lying. >> Yeah. >> Stop being fat and you're like but that's just his that's just his approach. Same with uh same with James Smith. Everyone's obviously avoiding words nowadays and um making sure not to be be politically correct all the time. And them two are the absolute polar opposite to that which can create a bit of conflict but most people that's what they want.

They want it straight down the line. And >> I think you just got to be careful with it. I think that's what we we we're leading to is be careful who you're taking the influence off. Those people >> are separate. All right.

They're the first to do it. You almost look like an unprofessional copy version. I don't think it looks professional at all. Like I think you should want to keep your audience as wide as possible. >> Yeah. I think they're just this constant swearing and I think especially in the young PTs now when I when I listen to them and they're doing the videos and they all just want to be next James Smith and constantly swear it looks it looks rubbish like no one wants to listen to that.

M and I think like the most important thing to understand if you're going to go out there and spread information. You're trying to in a positive sense, right? >> Sound professional and educated like this. Although I'm not major educated as you can probably tell when I when I speak, but I'd like to think that I' I try do me best to sound try to sound me. I try to speak to people correctly. Like obviously I never get out of the Yorkshire twang, but um literally different. >> But that's the thing though, like you're being honest and you're actually wanting to help people.

And this is the thing that annoys me about a lot of these fit fitness influencers that are trying to come through now. So the idea is that you're trying to spread that information and yeah, you're trying to go straight down the line saying you are doing this and it's wrong and this right. That's not helping people. You're speaking to people that are genuinely looking for the answer. Instead, you're swearing at them.

Instead, you're actually you might be hurt in the feelings. And yeah, you might not care about that, but the idea is if you're genuinely trying to help someone, then just be a real person, right? If you've got information that's going to be useful to someone, you don't have to say it to them like they've already done something wrong. Just explain. And again, be anecdotal about it because end of the day, no matter what information you're spreading, it's still your opinion.

Okay? You can pull whatever study out your ass you want. For every study, there's an opposing study, but make it clear that it worked for you or it worked for them and it might work for you. Again, spread the information with positivity. You're not trying to cuz I think what a lot of people try to do is like negative press is still press.

So, you get those clicks even though people don't like what you're saying. >> That's what they want to do. Be in your face and they want to go they want to go to the top. I think it's the wrong approach >> 100%. And don't think although they're trying to sound legitimate and it's it's supposed to be organic and it's supposed to be real and this is what it is and this is how everybody speaks usually it's not. Yeah.

Actually it looks more forced when they're trying to be that that guy like I just I don't get it. I see it more in more in women as well weirdly from Australia. All the women in Australia seem to just be just like the just constant swear and it's just I don't get it. But again each their own. I'm not saying how I do it's perfect, but I think in person definitely you definitely got to be able to um to change slightly with that one as well.

I mean, you might not. You might stick to your guns and just be that person. If you want to be the the marine guy all the time, then you be that guy. Like, I'm sure you'll get enough clients and people know you for that. I like to have the approach where each person can be different.

Some need a pat on back, others need a bit of criticism. Some people need lifting up. Some people need not breaking down. But I think I think think sometimes when you push people to the limits, that's when you see the best. Others >> depend on time they're going in their life, they might not be quite there.

They might not understand what it's like to be at that point yet. So I I'll use boxing as an example. So we do we do red zone sessions or sparring or we do like tough love rounds, shark tent rounds as other people know it, where you get a fresh person every minute and it's almost like a character building at the beginning when you've never been in that before. It's uh it's intimidating, it's scary, you feel like you can't get to end, but you that's when you realize how much you've got in you. And then once they sort of cross that point, that's when you can really start hitting the training into them and they understand then what's required to to get to where they want to be.

So >> yeah, cuz they're supposed to take something away from it. And the reason why >> you're not meant to win the rounds, you're there to to show the heart, the grit, to be in the deep water. So then when it happens on fight night and there's uh someone stood in your face who's more tire who's less tired than you and they're constantly on you, you've been there before. It's not going to be something that you're not used to. It avoids the adrenaline dump or the crash or just wanting to quit. >> So, the main reason why I wanted to talk about it cuz when I was on the cruise, I was using the gym.

There was um like little group of lads in there and one of them obviously looked like he'd been training a couple of year and yeah, he looked good and he was must been training with his brothers and uh he were trying to give them advice and he went down the route of the you know, don't [\h__\h] do it like that. Do it like this. don't. And he were literally shouting at this kid while >> Yeah. Just telling him not what to do but not how to do it. >> Yeah. And I I had to stop myself from doing it because it's not my problem.

It's not my situation. I wanted to say to him, "Listen, if you want someone to take your advice, stop telling him that they're doing it wrong. Say, look what you're doing. It could be better. Try this instead." And even if it's just your family member, I know it's a situation where he's training with his brother.

That might just be how they are. But to give somebody the right information is about, again, this is a PT trick as well. You're going to have to explain to different people the same thing a million different ways. >> Yeah. So, a good one for this. So, inside and outside Q.

So, an inside Q would be something, I don't know, neutral spine, knees fall at line of your toes, all good stuff. Uh, an outside Q would be a good example when you're doing like a stiff leg deadlift RDL, like push your bum back as if you're touching a button up wall. Just that. So that'll be like an outside quue and you'll you'll get a thousand of these like across years of training people. You'll start just you'll come up with your own like you've got a lot of outside cues that you hear from other people but you'll just make your own up.

I do a lot of it related to uh the sport that they're doing. So like the rugby guys so say they're doing like a bend at the waist sort of slip and they've got a step in towards them. I'd be sort of like turn it into the like a rugby side of it. When you do you took your chin in for your rugby and you're driving forward, what position would you be in? And I sort of try and make it like that or know people that do golfing.

So rather than the uh the rugby version of it, I'd be like is if you're going to have golf when you're bending at your hips and it's weird how creative you get of it over years and how many different ones that I could say the same one to one person, say to the next one, they won't have a clue what I say. So that's where you have to just get so like creative with with your uh explanations >> and that just comes with experience. I think the best way to start that is explain it to yourself the way that you think you'd understand. So when I'm trying to teach myself a new exercise, I'll read whatever. I'll watch a video and then I'll try and talk myself through it.

Once I understand it and I've done it a few times, then I'll start trying to relay that information. Cuz the easiest way to learn, this works for me the best. I'll take in some information and then I'll try and teach someone or teach >> Yeah, you can learn all you learn all the job. Yeah. Yeah. >> I learn on the job.

I come out with some of these outside cues that I've never even said in all 15 years of >> PTN. I come out with it a new one. I feel >> some I said that for years. >> Yeah. Magic just comes out. >> I do. I do.

I still I literally still do that to this day. Um I think going back to that what you said with with with Cruz as well with the guy who were in shape and his uh and his friends obviously could tell they've not done it before. Do you think it's Do you think it's key to to look the part as a PT? >> Ooh. So this this I think it's very controversial. >> That's the word I was looking for earlier. Controversial >> about the uh J. >> So I will say this and it's just an analogy.

If you went to a dentist and the dentist had rotten teeth, would you take his advice? And that's not to say all right and when when we say should you be in shape as a PT that doesn't mean that you have to be ripped below 10% body fat you have to be muscular or whatever. What it means is the things that you're prescribing that you're practicing and also that you've got the habits in place to show what a healthy lifestyle is. Now we've seen pts of all shapes and sizes but it depends on also the niche that you're doing. >> Yeah. I I know some PTS who just got the gifted gab as well can they can they can talk and I can remember I'm sure uh Neil and I doubt we'll be watching it now but hopefully when it gets bigger they'll see it uh he used to be the best talker I've ever seen like he'd come in first he were the first one to be in exercise for less and anyone anyone who come through the door he knew and you know he just he could have just when are we training when are we next in talk to him and everyone loved him uh LPTs loved him everyone in the gym loved him and he were constantly busy clients there.

He used to say he used to teach boxing but he couldn't box but he was just so confident in it and he did it for boxing size did it for fun. He had everyone laughing all the time. I think I think that's good. I mean it look he looked good though as well to be fair. He did look the part.

So >> yeah like even even to a certain extent I mean I was quite a big kid few years ago. I think I when I was your client I was still losing weight. A >> little bit shared. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Came up on me. um time up when you just finished it. >> Yeah.

Yeah. >> He had one tattoo as well. >> Yeah. And then evolution happened. >> Yeah. Uh but this is the thing, right? So my PT brand is all about helping people improve their lifestyle, get stronger. Mine's predominantly weightlifting because I have based my education around learning how to lift weights properly, safely, you know, maybe building muscle but also getting stronger. uh majority of my clientele is women who are strength training and that is what my brand's built around because health is wellness and that's my route of wellness and I think it's important like people know that I lift weights. >> Yeah. >> And yeah, I'm not below 10% body fat but I could be if I want to be and the idea is I've got the knowledge to do that.

So I think the main point we want to make is it's not necessary to be ripped or in shape but right if that is the type of per persona that you're branding. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Then >> so if you if so if you're trying to tell people how to bodybuild I know a lot of these again new uh influencers are online PTS whatever whatever you want to call them uh telling you how to do uh lateral raise in a different way. Don't do it like this. She's skipping this when for generations and generations there have been bodybuilders that look unbelievable. Like don't take into a gear into account gear and stuff like that where you still got to train like a maniac anyway.

But just trying to give new new things or trying to just be or different to everyone else just for just for the views. um if they're not if you've not built yourself, it's kind of hard to give credibility or believe it if you've not done it for enough years yourself or you try to tell people how to lift weights, but you've not really got the years behind you and knowledge behind you or even like you said the the build. If I'm telling people how to cut and do me diet and I'm not in shape, then it's hard to believe. >> Yeah, it makes no sense. And the reality is you can't reinvent the wheel, right? So, you're not coming to this industry and you're not going to be any different from anybody else in this industry. You might know a little bit more about certain subjects than other people, but the idea is the exercises are out there.

If people actually really want to learn, they go on the internet and find out what your job is is speaking to your people on how to do it their way and be happy. And I think that's the thing that people lose track. >> Off note as well. Yeah. Keep it simple. Don't over complicate it.

You come in and everyone's tied to resistance bands. >> Yeah. >> Just keep it simple. Uh like like just said, we can't reinvent the wheel. uh have some structure and and and keep it basic until you actually do build that specific knowledge in them areas, whether it might be rehab, prehab stuff. But um >> and remember as well, >> personal training, the most key part of that is the personal bit, right? People come to you when they see your brand, they stay with you because of you, right? You're the person that they want to work with.

So you are the face of your business. So, when we're talking about should you be in shape as a PT, if you're looking to promote a certain thing, do the thing. Okay? And that's the most important aspect. Be you, be original.

This is the whole topic of today of being a fitness influencer. Be original. Be yourself and the business will grow around you. >> Get 65year-old Lindra want zero gravity boots upside down >> on the doing situps. >> Do you know what I saw on the on the cruise and I've not seen them for years. See that? >> The shake machine. You remember that platform you stand on and vibrate?

Yeah. >> And he's living. >> How is that still a thing? >> Yeah. What are they called now? Um >> I don't cuz they used to exercise for less and it were called uh wobbosis. Fabulous. >> The epilepsy machine >> or um Yeah, that's crazy. Liver King's doing a minute. >> Yeah, he's doing it and he's just he's off his own. >> Yeah, I'd love to know what he's taking.

Get the blood work again. >> Trying to call Joe Rogan out in it. >> I know. That's insane. It's insane. >> You got police involved, don't it? Rogan. >> Yeah. So, I've been I've been um I've been >> He's cut it off right now. >> I've been seeing the clips living king and he gets keeps getting picked up in Texas and getting kicked out of hotels cuz he's not wearing shoes. >> He's doing that wobble board, but he's got all them uh branches hanging out of his boots in his arm and stuff.

He's like, >> "This guy's a billionaire." >> Yeah. He's trying to he's trying to do he's trying to stay relevant I think now. And >> I think he's acting I think I don't I don't think he's crazy. I think he's acting crazy. I think it's all an illusion to boost.

Everyone's like what's he doing? Why is he doing again just a weird weird approach to stay relevant. But anyway guys, let's wrap it up. That's podcast 5 PT Launch Lab. Like, subscribe, comment, keep uh letting us know what you want to see or if there's any guests in mind that you'd like to see on the podcast.

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