From Council Estate to Stage with Dizzee Rascal — Now I'm a Personal Trainer

Right, everybody. Welcome back to PT Launch Lab. Today we're joined by CF. >> Yes, mate. Good to see you. >> Yeah, you too, mate. So, as we've just been talking about before we before we started, uh just take it right back from a little bit about you, son, and uh and then we'll go into the other stuff. how you got into being a wanting to be a personal trainer. >> Yeah, sweet mate.

So, I grew up in Leeds um on an estate called Gibton in Leeds. Um you know, just your average council estate really um >> always playing outside as a kid, playing football, >> doing you know, petty stuff as well. But, you know, that standard, >> you know, naughty things and that is that it is coming from there, but it was all right, mate. Yeah, it were good. >> What What came first? Was it your music or what uh sports? >> Uh it's one of them.

No, playing football since I learned how to walk. Do you know what I mean? >> Like old school like with jumpers as a goalpost and that like >> Yeah, that's what I mean. It soon as I could walk, I would kick in a football. Do you know what I mean? And that's what I thought I were going to do when I was older.

Didn't have no backup plan. Didn't have no other job interest. When I was older, I would be a footballer. >> Same here. Same here. >> And obviously, as we all know, it didn't always turn out that way. And um it didn't work out.

You know, grew started getting older, getting really good. I played for a few academy teams like Leeds and that. Um played for Lead City Boys through like my school years which is like all schools in Leeds get picked from all schools and you get put into one team. All the best players. Played for them for a couple years. >> Observer than me. >> Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Like I was seeing myself in they used to put pictures up on games in newspaper. You know what I mean? They make newspaper.

So every day I'm thinking I'm going to be a footballer. I'm going to be a footballer. And then >> you get older and you get thrown in with big boys and you see how good they are and it's >> levels in it. >> Yeah. different levels, mate. I thought it were going to be and it weren't meant to be, you know what I mean? But >> so where so where did the how did the music start then?

Where what set the passion off or did you always just have >> um I remember growing up on a state and we'd be in my mate's dad's car. >> Yeah. >> And he'd have a CD in car and it'd be like baseline or it'd be niche or speed carage or it'd be some DJ that would pop in around the time >> and I remember hearing it and thinking [\h__\h] what's that? That's sick. Like you know what I mean? Like I fell in love like that straight away. started listening to different bits and bats and then you start hearing MC's on the beats on the tunes and you're thinking, "Oh, who's he? Who's that?" And I remember the first time I heard Tom Zanetti and I thought that's it. >> Yeah, that's what I want to do. >> That's what I want to do.

He's from Leeds. He's doing what I want to do. Everyone's talking about him on estate. I remember seeing him in his car. He had a BMW Z4 Tom >> and um I chased him down street for a picture and I remember it like yesterday. never got one off him like but if >> you know what I mean and I remember thinking I'd love to do that me >> I'd love to be that guy in nightclubs every weekend performing so so what was your uh what was your first thing from there did you go home and start writing your own lyrics or >> that was it mate I started writing I started you know taking inspiration from other people um Tom was a big one from leads he were like the main one I was listening to him try to write songs like him picking the beats he was using thinking oh you know how can I make my own lyric different to that um and I used to just write the lyrics when I boarding it.

Um, >> that's what that's what I always think. I never know which way around it goes me. So, do you find they find the beat first >> or do you make the lyrics first and then find a beat that you can sort of do it to and then you change tempo with it or >> Yeah. So, when I was a really young kid when I first started, I would even need the beat. I'd just write lyrics >> and I put the beat on cuz you don't know how to write to a beat yet.

You're just writing lyrics on a >> right. Is that something? Obviously, they'd have been terrible. I'd love to go back now. really [\h__\h] I writing but >> you know I started young and um just got interested in it mate and I couldn't stop it like a drug it like every time a beat came on I'd do it and then they started getting older on the state we'd have little rap battles and that and we'd have a little laugh you'd be at someone's house drinking partying someone get the phone out we just start doing it and then one day me p like [\h__\h] like you're [\h__\h] good you know you need to do it oh shut up you know I had that attitude I was like oh give over like no m you need to you need to do some >> so for anyone to anyone who don't know you mate what What are you where you at now with this with your >> um >> figure with it? >> Yeah. So, I've always done it since a kid.

Kind of left it put it to thingy. Obviously, I thought I was going to do football. That didn't work out. Didn't listen at school. Didn't pay attention.

Just [\h__\h] waste of time me school, mate. Just not academic at all. Um, and I remember I used to get sent to a teacher's classmate um, during lessons and that cuz you know kids that didn't listen or you wanted naughty kids you'd get sent to this other and this teacher would just have to look after you for an hour some rob and he had leaflets in there for army and I remember seeing it and thinking [\h__\h] hell. It said on leaflet you don't need no qualifications, you don't need no GCSEs. You don't I [\h__\h] that music to my ears. >> Yeah, that's what I want. >> I don't know what I'm going to do.

You know what I mean? I love music to my ears, mate. Soon as I left school, I was old enough joined army. >> Long story short, did 5 years in army and that gave me the confidence >> to then start doing music and doing cuz before the army, you couldn't have put me in a room full of people and made me do a presentation or speak to them. Go all shy and that >> I never came out my shell. >> But then in army, you get thrown in deep end. >> Yeah, you know what I mean? They'll say to you, you've got 5 minutes to do a presentation on >> British history or something.

Yeah, people get ready and you shr >> then by the time I've done all that and I've got to that confidence level now I'm ready to go to studio record music and naturally put it out and say it is >> well that first thing you did when you come back would you start did you just obviously make decision be like right music's where I want to go I've got confidence >> well I started doing it while I was in so at the back end of my career in army I'd signed off and then I had a year from that point where I was going to leave the military and I were up and Tik Tok had just came out. >> All right, >> Tik Tok had just become a thing and everyone were getting to grips for that and I seen this Tik Tok thing I thought oh what's this about scrolled on it downloaded the app and that and I thought oh it's just a video you know you upload videos to it or whatever and then it became a a thing where it was a good platform for me to upload my video in my freestyles in car >> and people were liking it, sharing it, commenting on it. >> Yeah. And I remember waking up one morning and one of them had got like 120,000 views or something which for me at the time I've not uploaded a single song, not done anything. Loaded a random video >> and it's got 100k streams and everyone's going madding comments about it saying who's this kid and so then I'm thinking [\h__\h] >> bit of motivation as well. >> Bit motivation. Yeah. Like in my head I've been [\h__\h] all this time thinking, oh no, I'd be no good at that.

I'd be no good. But all the 120,000 people think differently. I've just loaded video. So >> and that's what um it becomes addictive though then doesn't it? Yeah, it does.

It definitely that was a big thing, mate. Waking up to all notifications on >> you feel like do you feel like you're chasing it then and every video then so you sort of start because it's not it sometimes it's just algorithm in it but you but you start rating your own videos and how many views you get >> 100% you do >> which is weird is it but that's just way we live in it but >> and I thought from that moment every video is going to be like that and it's not it don't work like that. I've got songs that have done 3 million views and then I've uploaded another song the following month and it's got not even half that or it's got 100k streams in like a year which is nowhere near as good. >> Yeah. Which is weird is cuz you have been beginning you'd have been [\h__\h] buzzing would you now and now you're like it's not enough. >> Oh it's only 200k views that [\h__\h] It's not [\h__\h] It's a lot of views. But I have trained myself now into [\h__\h] thinking that >> it's a good it's a good trait to have in it.

Otherwise, it's good cuz you aim high. But it's like, you know, you put yourself down though then and you put when you shouldn't be put >> and that might actually be the better material, but it might just not have gone out into algorithm. >> Yeah, that's it. You've just not promoed it right. You've not got it out right. You've not put it to the right audience. >> Funny funny way up world now it everything's based on that. >> It is, mate.

Yeah. >> And it's And so where so what's your what's your future with music now? What do you want to do with that? Obviously, we'll go into the side where you uh the personal training stuff, but um >> what's the ultimate goal with the music as well? >> Um to be honest, mate, where I am now, I feel like I'm getting towards the end of what I've done. Do you know what I mean? I feel like I've done it all. >> I feel like I've done it.

Do you know what I mean? I'm not bothered about going in charts and being signed to a big label and that because, you know, that would be lovely. I'd love that to happen, but you know, I'm getting a bit older. >> Um I've done everything I've wanted to do. I've achieved the things that I've set out to do. I've got mad experiences that I never thought I'd get. been on stage with some crazy people, performed in front of ma like massive crowds. >> What's biggest crowd? >> Have achieved it. >> What's the biggest crowd? >> Um I think it were like 5,000 or 4,000 in Birmingham.

And Bassfest as well. Base fest is a big one. >> Um obviously it's not like you know like band like charts levels or I know you're not at leads fest in front of hundreds of thousands but 5,000 people when they're looking at you jumping. It's mental. >> So how do you how do you come down from cuz I'm saying with uh with me boxing. So >> bigger crowd I I preferred it. Me I'm saying but it's like the level of um that adrenaline that you get from all that unmatched in it like do you know >> it's meant all the nerves as well before going out.

It's like, >> well, that's why it feels so like rewarding after done it >> because not everyone can do that. Like, >> well, that's what I did. I I never saw myself doing I went from that kid who was scared to even speak to new people at school to being that guy on stage consoling 5,000 people like mad, didn't it? >> It were mental, mate. >> Did you have did you have a weird like aura of confidence and all when you were there? Like, did you surprise yourself with me how much confidence you had when you got out? >> Definitely. Definitely, mate.

Definitely. >> One of one of the most turns up on day and just >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy, mate. It would just um I get nervous. >> Yeah, >> of course I do.

Everyone gets nervous like when you get before I go on stage now, even in small events, smaller venues like little nightclubs and that I get a bit of like, oh, what they're going to think is it going to be all right. >> Do you think do you think smaller venues can be more nerve-wracking as well? Do you know when you can see people's faces more? >> When you think you think that but you can't see that much. >> Yeah, >> cuz it's dark. It's always dark outside. You can see every face outside and it's it's horrible. >> Yeah. cuz I always think same with you know like standup comedians and that you do it to a big arena and you get got more people to even if even if you said a funny joke like you got more chance of people just trying to support it whereas if you just get a little bar and everyone's going to be like no it's [\h__\h] that >> more tough it's a horrible feeling when you're first finding your feet on there and you you try to get a reaction from them and you think what are they going to think did they do they know this song they think this song's [\h__\h] I don't know are they enjoying it I don't know as soon as you see them jumping and shouting the lyrics all your nerves go straight away >> so yeah there's a couple of points is there and so uh one have you had ever had any bad experiences where you've gone I don't feel like they got that or have you have they always been >> um >> kind of probably when I were first doing shows first coming up I'd probably get bookings by people that saw me liked my stuff but people in there probably didn't know me >> I've had I've had experiences like that I've had experiences where I've been booked for shows I've gone in club and there's five there's five people at bar drinking and I've got to go up there and [\h__\h] it's all it's it's horrible mate you know what I mean you feel you feel all I like to happen when you do it, but it's money and I getting paid for doing it and it's part of the game. You start low and you work your way up, you know. >> And and for me, the highlight of any music career, no matter what you're doing, is someone singing your lyrics back to you.

What that must be, >> do you know what maddest thing about me last year when I did that show in front of four, I think it was four and a half thousand people. I was on stage with Dizzy Rascal >> and Dizzy Rascal >> is behind me singing my lyrics through the mic with me to 4,000 people when I was four years old. Dizzy Rascal was like God. >> Yeah, >> he was in the He was in the charts. Dizzy Rascal Impact Dizzy Rascal. >> Yeah, he was in the charts when I was a kid. We had him on house parties and now fast forward 17 years. >> You never That wouldn't have been on your bingo card, would it? >> No, it's mad how life turns out, mate.

It's mental. It is crazy. But if you put the work in, mate, you'll always get where you want to be. You know what I mean? >> Well, I think that's that great point to uh go into the PT side then. So, obviously you've always been into always been into sport football from an early age. >> Um, so on the gym side, I know you train with Penbo, don't you? >> Yeah, I've started training with PBM.

Yeah. >> So, is that where is that what sort of thought where you want to sort of do what PMO does or have you always thought about being a PT or >> Well, I've always had it in back of my mind. I've always been interested in doing it, but I've just always been busy with other things. And then obviously this music started to take off. So, I feel like I've got to put my energy into that. But on the side of that, I enjoy training.

And I just think, you know, if I could do it as a job or a career, I'd love it cuz >> also you tal you spoke to me just before as well. I'm glad I didn't miss that. Is um you had to be a PT in army, didn't you? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I was going to veer off and do that. Um >> would you say that what first point where you thought you know what this so you'll have had other PTS for you in army wouldn't you? Yeah. So that was it in basic training at Perbrite. I seen my PTI that we got.

He was a right horrible [\h__\h] You know what I mean? But you were a machine. >> And I seen him. I thought he's [\h__\h] cool. You know what I mean? I want to be like that me. >> I want to be that guy there.

I remember seeing him and thinking he's a [\h__\h] he's a legend. You know what I mean? >> They get they get some respect as well. >> Yeah. And you were an absolute machine and I thought I'd love to do that. But then it's just the way training makes you feel like if I don't train I'm [\h__\h] miserable. I mean yeah >> I get stressed out.

I've got loads of [\h__\h] going on and I just think it'd be mint to make it into a career where I'm helping other people. >> Yeah. >> You know what I mean? Fix themselves. >> I I I say with people there's more than one way to look at it with the training as well, especially we'll go into the boxing side of it as well that you want to do. >> Um >> I don't always think, you know, people say training is like a stress relief. >> Yeah, >> I get that. Like it's bit different that if I've got a fight coming up and I train, it gets me more fired up, which is completely different. What I think it is is, you know, like like yourself, you got a mega busy life. >> I think it's just an hour out your life where >> your brain's only thinking about one thing. >> That's the weird. It's like peaceful training. you're focusing on one thing and usually >> like if you don't like me like I I'll be knackered all day and the minute I sit down and go to chill I'm [\h__\h] head's busy and I'm like that's time that's I wanted that that time a day all day and as soon as he comes to it I'm like got to do this or not thinking about it over thinking whereas when I'm training it's purely >> literally it's like therapy in it. >> It is mate.

Yeah. And it's afterwards you know you can't it's hard getting up I when my alarm goes off at 4. I get up at half 4 in the morning to go to gym when it goes off I don't want to get out of bed. Is that what you tell me? Yeah.

Yeah. I don't want to get up out of bed at half four. I'm [\h__\h] I'm in a nice one bedroom says I'm crusty. I could break in another two hours if I want. But I don't.

I get up and I go to the gym because afterwards when I've done training I've done that. That's you know what I mean? >> You you've already overcome first battle at death. >> You've overcome your first thing. You've done 4 hours work before everyone else has even opened their eyes and you think right I'm ahead of everyone else. >> Have you have you ever done out like that with like ice baths or no? Yeah. Yeah. >> That one thing I can't do.

I can't do it. We've got an ice bath at my gym and they've just put it in there and I see people getting it and I think you know I just can't do it. I hate cold water and that so I'll probably give it a go. Like >> I got into doing I got into doing I got into doing cold showers every morning. >> Oh cold showers man. >> And I decided to start doing it >> in winter. Weird as weird mate weird decision.

But I had same thing same as what you saying. So you were getting up and and going to German. That was the first thing I was I'm like like watching me David Gogggins and that man all that sort of sort of [\h__\h] Yeah. And uh same with that first thing is just doing something you don't want to do and like >> just getting up and training and he was saying with with with a cold shower and I thought >> I'm going to try expand it like be. Yeah.

So and I can remember when I first did it I did it every single day. I come back to go for this pro career in boxing and I did it every single day and then I went for a walk in Pete District and I were up at about half 4 in morning. I thought I can't do me cold shower cuz kids were in bed on that. I didn't want to wake everyone up. Yeah. >> And set off went and did walk and I snapped me my leg in half. >> Oh. >> Yeah.

That first three weeks only day I didn't do cold shower and after I thought got this weird like um >> you know when you're getting your head weight I've got to wear this I've got to do that before and I never wanted to and then because something bad had happened on day where I changed my routine. I thought I never wanted to be so I stopped doing like >> no way >> too too like um full on routines cuz then if I missed though I felt like bad stuff hugging me. >> Yeah. That's weird is it? Yeah, mental over obsessive that like with it but >> Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. >> But I had to I had to come back and recover from that and I managed to um come through and the me go back through me amateurs. >> Yeah. >> Had a load of amateur fights and then pro debut in June. But are you wanting to fight in June? Are you? >> Yeah. I'm trying to get on next boxing show. >> You had a boxing match before? >> I haven't m I've had fights and that but it's not I've not been in a boxing match with boxing gloves on and that. Never done it.

Never done it. I've always been interested in it. just never got to myself fit enough to be I've never been in right I feel like you've got to be in the right mindset to say right I want to go in a boxing >> and there's got to be stuff like you said you feel like you come to end career you've done the things you wanted to do >> and you're like but you've always had a driving force all your life by it sounds you've always been like this is where I want to be this what I want to do >> without that then there's empty space >> and that with I know with me then it leads me in wrong direction >> I can go this way or this way so you need to find some mentally that I can put my energy Yeah, >> that's especially with a boxing match. You've got to take it serious cuz you can't. >> That's it, mate. I've got loads of free time now. Like I say, I'm I feel like I've achieved what I've wanted to achieve in music.

I'm coming to end of it. I've probably got a couple years left where I might venture off. I might go, you know, I might run my own events. I might >> DJ maybe instead I might do something different. But in terms of music, I'm feel like I'm coming to end of it.

I need to start focusing on something else. And that's where my fitness and my training is coming in now cuz I want to try >> do that. And what type of uh training would you be training people in then? How and how like how long have you boxed? Is is it the boxing side that you'll be teaching sort of teaching people through fitness and boxing or would it be >> I don't think I'm that experienced mates to teach other people boxing.

Do you know what I mean? I'm probably still learning myself. Like I say, I've always >> my dad's always taught me little bits and a boxing bag in garden when I was a kid. Little things like that. But I never went to a boxing gym as a kid.

Yeah. So, you know, there was a time a few years it were in army when I went to boxing gym first. Um they have sports afternoon in army on a Wednesdays you pick a sport you go do it. I went to boxing gym and first time I I'm right-handed and first time I went to go go back I stood um in um >> I don't know why felt better. >> Yeah he just felt better and he said what what Andy I said right-handed. So you know I didn't have a clue what I were doing.

I was switching my stances in middle of fights. I he was saying what is wrong with you? There's something wrong with you. I said but he said you can punch you can fight. You just need to learn what you're doing because you works all over the place and that and that's when I started learning then and then did a little bit there.

I'd never had a fight though. Came out and then I've wanted to get back into it now. Do you know what I mean? And I seen Penbo doing his thing. >> Yeah. >> And I thought I'll jump on that. He's ex-military try to welt people and I run a bit of a pen tell you mate I in a bad place at time when he caught me.

Do you know what I mean? I really [\h__\h] I going downhill you know what I mean? So >> was it was it similar route to him then with partying and um >> kind of me my lifestyle in general they knew who I was you know I just [\h__\h] it gripped me a bit and I was starting to go down that road to [\h__\h] nowhere do you know what I mean >> and so would it were it through Penbo so anyone who' watched Penbo and the other one obviously come from again the same thing where just couldn't stay away from um >> yeah that was it mate as soon as I left the army I felt like >> lost >> no purpose whatsoever I had a purpose for 5 years and I [\h__\h] >> not going to be a footballer done army. What else is there? There's nothing there to >> Same with and with the music. >> I'm guessing it comes with that lifestyle as well. >> Oh, it does, mate.

It grips you. It's so hard. It's >> you you're around like >> Yeah. >> Like you even you said from when you were listening to music, you were partying. >> Yeah. That's what I mean. >> The music I'm involved in the partying, the drinking, the drugs, the session, it all comes with it. And it's up to you whether you want to dive into it fully or if you want to separate yourself and be a bit more professional and yeah just be the music artist and then go home after show.

You know, don't do the show and then stick around and go to bar and spend money that you've just earned doing the show on a [\h__\h] gray goose bottle. End up in someone's kitchen. You don't know where you are. You how you getting home. Before you know it, it's [\h__\h] Monday morning.

It's >> it's up to you whether you do that. And that's what I would do. Do you know what I mean? Until >> I thought, "Fuck this." You know what I mean? It's not it's it's not going to work.

You know, I I've had I've had some really good fun doing it. You know what I mean? It's been an amazing experience performing in in shows, people recognizing me, getting stopped for pictures, all that. It's all good, but there's a darker side to it where it grips you. You can't [\h__\h] get out of it.

And it's like, >> yeah, cuz you around them people for that many years as well. You don't really know all else, do you? >> No. It's mental, mate. Like I say, I've gone from being a nobody to all of a sudden walking in a venue, everyone's trying to take pictures of me, everyone wants to see me, everyone >> get caught up in that >> and you get caught up in it and it's the attention and it's like, oh, >> it's it's all right this it's all right. And some people dive straight into it and think >> that's what I'm going to do and that's what they do.

They party. There was that party. Well, I lived it for a little bit here and there. Do you know what I mean? Me and I still go out.

We'll have a drink and we'll we'll go to the odd show where we do stay out and we have a good time. But it's the odd occasion rarely out. I don't drink. >> I hate drinking. I don't drink. But most people think, "Oh, bet you drink lo." >> Yeah, mate.

I don't drink anymore. >> Don't drink, mate. It's I can't do it. You can't do both, can you? You can't train and drink. I know people that train and drink and I think, "How the fuck?" >> I used I used to do it, though.

I used to be bit like I've always trained. I've always I've always had uh boxing matches. And what I used to do, my worst thing then, what I got into I telling Pembbo, same. I got into an habit, right? So, unless I had a fight set up, >> I would I would drink him. >> Yeah.

And then I' >> soon as it soon as I got like I'm doing a camp, I I'd train give 150% in everything. I'd have the fight. The minute I finish that fight after drinking, boom, all the way to the next fight. I did that for years. >> It's mental, mate. >> I never fully committed to it. >> It's mental, mate. And yeah, I've been drinking since a really young age.

You know what I mean? We used to go to house parties and that really young age. I grew up around drink and drugs and that in my house and whatever seeing that. So, it was just a normal thing. But um and then you join army and that's a big part of it.

Drink and culture, you know, you've got to drink, do you know what I mean? >> Yeah. >> I'm from an Irish family as well, so I've been drinking [\h__\h] years. Any dad, my dad used to love a drink. He stopped >> packed it in. I just can't do it. I can't drink and train.

I feel like cuz I know if I go out Friday and I go out drinking >> and I get hung over. I get proper pissed. >> Yeah. >> I going to the gym till at least Thursday. >> It puts me back by about 5 days. >> That becomes cycle, doesn't it? Like everyone everyone's same. They go they they'll go right all week going right I'm not going to drink now I'm not going to drink I'm going to train and then they start the training on like Wednesday feel all right bit of a steady session right Thursday I'll go for it Friday I smash my arms out and that I feel [\h__\h] great I'm going to go out and then they go out and start again and keep the same but you never move >> you can't do it mate you're sat in bed all day you're unjust eating [\h__\h] Macky's pizza all sorts trying to make yourself feel better going out >> I think that is one of underlying things that people really like take for granted is that bit of the eating after >> like as much as you're rough as all anyway from drinking. >> Yeah. >> And then when you >> the energy that you're putting back in your just pure [\h__\h] as you like >> it's crazy. It's >> you feel even rougher then though on Sunday.

Don't you know Friday? Yeah. I've had a full bad day of food on Saturday. I wake up and I'm still I think God hangover this hangover has been two three days. [\h__\h] know it's cuz you've been eating McDonald's and you feel like [\h__\h] >> and alcohol is the cause of it all and it's the only legal drug that you can go to shop and buy and it's the worst [\h__\h] one. I'm just deserves one.

I've been to raves where I've not drunk and I've had a couple of pills or whatever. Do I look gone raving? No, I just had a good time. >> Feel better. >> Been on water all day. My head's banging a little bit next day. I'm in gym and I'm training. >> You can't do it on alcohol.

Alcohol is the worst thing for you. >> Bad. >> And that's not me promoting drugs by the law. That's also a bad thing to do. Don't do that. But I'm just saying al it's they're not legal. Alcohol is legal and it's people every day, mate.

And there there's never ever ever been a question of alcohol not not being a legal thing though, has it? >> Oh, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's, >> you know, I don't want to sound boring. Do you know what I mean? Like I say, I've not completely stopped drinking forever.

There'll be the odd occasion, birthdays, whatever. We'll go out or if I'm on holiday, I'll sit there and have a nice cocktail or something. >> Yeah. I think the lot I think this podcast 10 years ago was with guest had been a completely different you know what I mean completely but I laughing about that again to to penote same like we met each other and we were both >> after a couple of bare knuckle fights and stuff and we were both drinking and stuff and that's sort of how we got to know each other so you wouldn't meet half a people without >> no that's it everyone does it everyone's done it it's just about you know what path you want to go down and if you can control it if you're a person who has a drink every now and again there's no harm in that but >> do you know what though mate some people never get never get away from it, never escape it. >> And that's what's and and what a what a time now to do the podcast to be like to be saying then one person might watch it and be like, "Well, I'm stuck in that hole at minute. I can't do it." And then they just seeing people talk about it and it's not for me like it's not boring because you feel you feel great all the time, don't you? You know, like people say they have one weekend off drinking. >> Yeah. >> And they're like, "I feel ASAP.

I'm not going to drink as much." And then all of a sudden they fall back into it and you go, "Mate, you can feel like that all the time." >> I used to feel like that though. I used to think, you know, I don't want to drink, but I feel like if I say, "Oh, no. I'm not having a drink." These lot are going to say, "Oh, he's right. Boring cunt." I don't want to be known as a boring [\h__\h] At the same time, if I drink with you lot tonight, I know tomorrow I'm going to be dying. I'm going to be depressed.

It affects your mental. >> It starts affecting your more years, doesn't it? >> Oh, mate. Definitely. >> Feel like when I like again like you just said then, I used to go I could drink Friday, Saturday, Sunday and out with lads and we go out and do stuff and day drinking, night drinking and that and it never never really affects me. I still come to work like the same on Monday. And then it starts it starts affecting you more and as you get older plus I feel like subconsciously then you start realizing that you're like [\h__\h] I'm not really >> staying still where I am in my life. >> Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. I just love feeling fresh now mate. I'm up at half four in the morning. >> That's on its own knowing it. >> Yeah. Just feeling fresh, feeling good, eating good. [\h__\h] the benefits. It's mental.

I was just eating [\h__\h] drinking, doing everything wrong and just thought it was all right and thought I living all right, but I want it. It's bad for your mental health, mate. Do you know what I mean? And I don't know, there was just something about training, getting up early, and just eating healthier, not drinking as much that's just done something massive for me where I think I'd never want to go back there. >> Is that Is that why again now? So, you want to sort of put that on other people now, won't you? >> Pretty much, mate.

I'd like to do that. Yeah. Cuz I've seen, you know, if anyone can if I if someone like me who lives my lifestyle, partying, you know, doing shows every weekend, went from that to then putting a stop on it and saying, "No, I'm going to go do this, but control it." You know, I want to teach people how to control it. You can have a drink. You can have a party, you can have a laugh, but you don't have to do it every day.

I'll go out every weekend and get smashed and you know what I mean? >> Yeah, there's got to be life accountability. Yeah. Give yourself a bit of a change and, you know, help yourself. >> And uh so leading on to that then, so where's the where's the starting point for your for your PT? And then now cuz obviously you've just got you've just got qualified with us. >> Yeah. >> Um so what's your what's your first steps now? Is have you got a gym that you're already wanting to do it out of?

Is sort of like >> That's the thing now. I'm just going to start looking for a gym. Obviously, summer's coming up, so I might even do some outdoor stuff. You know, weather's going to be nice and that. Might do some >> I mean, you've got a good You've got the following for it, though, as well.

I reckon it's a great place to start start with with a group. >> So, coming down even even put some on >> uh just to give back, do a bit of a community thing and get people down, do the session, and do something like that. And I think you just pick off PT, no problem, man. It creates conversation straight away. People are going to want to be around you. I know.

People have probably known you for years. Yeah. Yeah. >> You're probably coming out of that all and want to be want to be part of what you're doing. >> Yeah. >> I think you've got I think you've got it at your feet there. Like you've earned that over the years of doing what you've done. I think I think it drops into place for you just saying if it comes to summer, it's a nice sunny day and you'll be like, "Look, >> I know it's I know it's easy and tempting now to go right I'm going to go straight to be guard. >> Let's at least at the very least let's get some training in first. >> Let's do it after.

You know what I mean? I'm all for it going out after, but let's get up, go for a run, go to the gym. We'll do a class. Make the classes fun as well. Make it interesting.

Don't make it, you know, >> repetitive or whatever or, you know, make it for for all groups as well. I don't just want to target young blogs. You know what I mean? If you're a 38-y old woman who's overweight, you're more than welcome to come along cuz I'm going to help you get to your goals as well. >> And I think um I feel there's a you can't help but you get a little bit of um you get a little bit of guilt as well. and all that when you start training hard >> and when you're drinking stuff I've just done all that and wasted what happens >> especially when they're hard sessions >> what happens to me now >> when they're tough sessions and you're putting yourself through it and you're like all that I'm just wasting on weekend doing all hard training and you don't get to see results especially not like physically >> because you're going you just again you start and repeat again aren't you >> yeah that's me now it's like I say if I had the o if I have the odd occasion now with Mrs and that we go out we get drunk or whatever we have a night where we just send it and get pissed or whatever I'll just tell myself like I'm not having any days off like it's going to be [\h__\h] but Monday I'm still in gym still going to train. >> Yeah >> cuz that's the lesson I've got to pay off of going out. >> And I think that's what I think that's what people don't don't do as well. I had this conversation with someone yesterday in gym. >> And I think that's probably biggest mistake.

So say you're going out drinking Saturday night mate. Get some work in on Saturday morning. Got to make up for it somewhere. Yeah. You got to like be accountable for it or even next day if you if you're capable to do a decent decent walk or have it planned out before like I know it seems probably someone will be like I never even think about doing that but that's when people will have like the cheat meals say even down to not drinking side. >> Yeah. >> And what they'll do they'll train all week good all week >> and then the Saturday like it's my day off training and then that's when they'll have the takeaway.

They >> just canceled the full week out. That's cuz calories in versus calories out. You're doing less work on the Saturday and you're eating more. You >> you're in a surplus massively then you just [\h__\h] at least lost work. Yeah. >> In one day.

That's how harsh it is. >> That's how I see going out now when I drink. I'm not just having that drink that one night. I'm throwing a full week away cuz I can't be ass. >> Well, you can't you can't burn calories as long as alcohol's in your system. So I'd love to know um >> I always I don't know what I come to this time all the time. I'd love to know some numbers from how many calories there is in per per unit or per drink and then say right so on top of that rate next day I've at all this food right so even if I trained on the Monday >> right and I burn how much you burn average on average workout you probably burn let's say between 6 and 800 calories yeah >> you're not even going to burn what you've done >> wait no way so then you might start only burning it by Wednesday but then you're still eating on top of that >> so you're moving though it's >> in your ass for you killed this all week to be not even in a better position. >> No, it's crazy. >> And then when you put it like that to someone, you're like, >> "Yeah, >> [\h__\h] point.

What's the point? You never You never You're never going to move if you like that." >> But um but yeah, so what where do you see where do you see yourself in in the future for your PT? Then would you like your own would you like your own gym? Would you? >> I'd love a gym. I'd love my gym.

I'd love a spot where people can come. I can run my own classes, make them feel better, make it interesting. Maybe even integrate the music with it. You know, don't know if you know Burns Boot Camp. He's done that.

Smashed it. Big up Berno. They've got an Unreal gym there. They get DJs down while you're while you're exercising. It's mental.

You know what I mean? You're working out. You're like, this is me. You know what I mean? I'd love to do something like that.

And make it fun for people cuz I think most people that want to get in shape, they think of exercise, oh, I can't be ass [\h__\h] like, >> you know, I don't want to do burpees or squats. I don't want to. But if you make it a bit fun, make it a bit, you know, come along. We'll have a bit of fun while we're doing it. Make it interesting.

You know, we'll have a laugh. You'll make new friends. You meet new people doing these things. >> I think that's why I know people like the spin classes and that. But like, you know, to me, a bit of choreography in it. It's kind of saying with like um like you said with Bernos like this [\h__\h] mega tunes to be fair and you're getting graph, you're buzzing. >> Yeah.

You're buzzing. You send you're using music to get through it and you're sending it. Whereas if there were no music on, you'd probably just be a bit >> bit sluggish on skiing, but music's blaring. You've got him on microphone screaming at you. If you're doing [\h__\h] he'll tell you you're doing [\h__\h] and you go, "All right, I've got [\h__\h] pit." >> They've had no one doing what kind of stuff you do though, have you?

Like if you could do a DJ, but we sort of like open mic stuff. >> I performed at Burns. >> Did you? >> Yeah. >> I've not seen that. That's sick. >> The weirdest thing I've ever done, but it was sick and I loved it. It were mental. Um Jamie Dugen came down. He were DJing. >> Oh, that's cool. >> And I jumped on microphone.

They did a couple of tunes while everyone work. I were doing workout as well. So I was in workout. Then I came out the workout, picked mine up, did two songs, joined back in. It were mental. >> That's cool, isn't it?

And >> that's the only [\h__\h] that you see at Burns. It's It's me. >> Are you any videos of that? >> No, it burn all some. >> Yeah, >> it was for his birth. It was near his birthday. Close to his birthday, I think. >> Um, it were unreal, mate. The energy in there were mental.

The gym were packed. Must have been about 60 time. See, though, he's busy. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

It's a big warehouse. That's all I'd want as well. By the way, I just want a warehouse that I can put some kit in >> and just get people down and just fresh them for an hour. >> It's not like It's not like loads of kit though even, is it? >> No, it's not. It's just a space. All you need is the space.

Few row machines, few if if you've got space to do a circuit or something. It's all you need. It's >> Yeah. >> Most exercises you're doing your own body weight, you're doing press ups, squats, burpees, you need kit. >> I feel like that's the way the industry is going as well now. I think people are want to be more let's say hybrid. I don't really like saying it, but people lied to the waist and that, but they want to be fit. >> Yeah. >> Now, I feel like at one point I know especially when we when I used to go out, everyone just wanted to look good. be in any form of shape.

It was it was >> chain chest and arms every day. >> No legs, no corn, no chest and arms. Put a tight top on weekend and that's what it was. >> Used to have a big cow next to that big chest out and that. Yeah. So at that time it leads us in. But um I feel like it is changing for that.

I don't know if it's just I always I always wonder though if say everyone on my Instagram and stuff like around my age and that >> so everyone sort of feels like they're falling into the same paths and everyone's wanting to feel healthy. Um they've got more longevity in there whereas >> with the younger lads would if I if I were younger again would it still be would it still feel the same? >> Oh no. >> And it just depends what I'm looking at. >> Yeah. You know what I mean? >> I know what you mean. >> Is it still people just smashing gym and going out and getting getting messed up? >> Yeah. I always think like you don't Yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah. >> I see.

Oh, man. I look around. I see like you said I see like Pembo and everyone's training and and bettering themselves and they've come from these back but I think >> I I talked to a couple lads in air company and they're still going out having a few drinks and stuff but >> like I think well I wonder if their Instagram looks different to mine though. >> You know what I mean? >> Is it loads of lads just smashing chest and arms still? I always think because I never really think about that. >> Yeah, they're still knocking about people like that. I that's what I were doing for years by the way.

Do you know what I mean? I thought going to gym and doing chest 5 days a week with training. You know what I mean? >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Cuz you know what I mean? It was >> can't run a 5k though. >> Yeah.

You can't run a 5k or you can't do three rounds on boxing bag without blowing your ass out. You know there's something wrong. Do you know what I mean? Cardio just never enjoyed it. Just did chest and arms and then you think what the [\h__\h] am I when you start learning you think [\h__\h] hell it's not good. >> Yeah.

Yeah. >> And uh what so obviously with the boxing then >> do you find like that's probably your most fun type of cardio as well? Yeah, I'll choose boxing over anything when it comes to cardio. Do you know what I mean? Like I I'll play football every now and again. It's coming around to summer.

Yeah, good game of football in summer. So I might >> I get more injuries from football than out in the world, mate. >> Yeah, I have had some bad injuries, mate. Yeah, nearly broke my ankle. That were a bad one. Took ages to get better that you know your ankle when ankle goes takes ages. >> Yeah, I think that's in my knee. >> Yeah. >> Yeah.

Tendonitis. I had that for a couple of years. That [\h__\h] that were awful. Like you can still feel it now. when you even if I tapped it there as a kid, it'd be like >> Yeah. >> agony. Do you know what I mean? >> But that's what set mine off when I uh when I broke my leg.

So I went in I went come back and played some five side >> and I went in I like rolled my ankle inwards >> and I felt like a the weirdest pain down me foot and I thought and I were limping around. I thought that were me done. I'd done it back four weeks and I just it's not worth it for me boxing and that and then when I went walking in P Street >> I'd slipped a couple of times. We went it were horrible weather and I went with all fighters and I turn and I turn around and and I videoed. I've got video like three or four videos in a row all heavyweights like soon as I slipped boom they were hitting floor.

Now I'm laughing me head off on video and you were all coming down the same bit falling falling. So I've come back up hill to video them cuz I was slipping. >> So if I want to come back up hill m I'd never snapped my leg but I come up to take pre these big heavy weights that well as soon as they slipped all the weight went one way boom hitting floor. Funniest thing ever. But then when I was slipping, I kept catching myself like that. I kept catching myself and I've slipped.

Boom. Same place where I felt that, but they just snapped me leg clean and half. >> Oh, brother. >> Yeah. Lifting me leg up. Me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my me my my shoe on it side of me leg and I'm just like looked all lads I like >> the shoe was at side you snapped me snapped me leg clean and half I must have been >> I have collapsed I fainted. Well, I I run ambulance.

I would ring the ambulance with center. So, there was a postit side of me postit side of me with number that said if you're ever in trouble, ring this number and I like rung it. It was just all weird how it all happened. You know what I mean? And then uh sign were there for >> and then I it's like a trip to the sign.

I put my leg >> and I rung up I rung up and they were on they do a one annual training day every year mountain rescue thing. >> Yeah. >> They were out that day. >> No way. Yeah. >> So 20 20 people came out on a training day and they all come up with fences. I could nearly see car. That's how close I've gone up three different >> three different peaks. >> Uh got to flattest bit I had like two fences to go over and I slipped on like a right little divot slap me leg. They all come over stretches and all that >> crackers mate.

Honestly just the weirdest weirdest thing in the world. Um yeah. So just crazy. >> That's been hard coming back from that though. It >> it is. I lost like 30% mobility in me foot.

Um I'd not I'd not competed for a few years and then within that what Jan January 2024 and then we're only six months out of boxing full rehab like just yeah straight away. So I went from I went from X amount how many weeks right now? I think about six weeks in this pot sorry it was supposed to be half pot for couple of weeks. Uh then it might have been a a full pot for six weeks and then boot. >> They skipped the six week um because I already trained for a fight. They skipped the six week pot and put me straight in a boot two weeks after weight bear on it straight away and it were like major major operation on me leg.

And I back sparring against good amateurs after like 6 months >> when I could barely move my feet. So >> fair play. >> Yeah. Lost a couple of spars that I couldn't move. >> I know. I'm not surprised though. >> Yeah. Yeah.

That's a big injury that to come back from is it? But it weirdly m honestly again everything's just like sign it all up sort of for a reason. I really took time to um concentrate on me footwork and stuff. I'd always just been sort of like the fighter to just come forward on front foot. >> Learned how to box better than ever. So all come back around to do right things. >> Happy days. >> Right mate.

Is there you that you want to get into this podcast that you haven't that you haven't gotten? >> Uh I think we've covered everything mate. Um I just want to say big shout out to Pembo. He's helped me out massively recently mate. You know what I Y >> um got me into right mind space to do what I'm doing and big up you guys as well. >> Yeah, thank you. >> This is a good opportunity just sitting here getting my message across showing people what I'm doing. Hopefully this gets some other people interested, you know what I mean? >> Yeah.

And so will you be starting up a fresh page for your for your training or will it be on the page that you've got? >> Um yeah, I think that's going to come in soon. I think I just want to get to a place where I get classes filled. Yeah. get people saying, you know, yeah, I will come and join this thing or I will do it soon as I've got that confirmation. That's when >> Well, what we can do, mate, we can we can if if you're happy to, we can get you back on when you're ready to um >> ready to sort of launch it and put any anyone who's watching now, mate. We watch your socials so that people can find you and >> Yeah.

Sweet. So, my socials is just Cav O13 on Instagram. That's my music p. It's kind of my personal page, but music as well, but I'll make another one separate for this fitness to thing to go down. about everyone will. >> Yeah, but everything that you need to know will be on there. >> It'll be on there for now. For now.

Yeah. >> Sweet. Well, thanks for coming on, mate. >> Nice, mate. Thanks for having me. >> Cheers, pal. Right. Thank you, everybody.

See you next time.